To prove my point in a simple demonstration, I’m going to conduct a test by shooting an Ed Brown EVO-KC9 9mm semi-auto pistol with three different-sized cast bullets — all cast, and powder coated from the same batch, for consistency’s sake. alert(message); The load was 4.5 grains of 231, loaded in Federal brass and sparked by WSPP. There were no surprises here. Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission, State Agency: (event.clientY + de.scrollTop) : y; So, I also had some other bullets I was able to buy recently. renderedWidth = renderedElement.offsetWidth; function do_pagination_start() I have NEVER found a plated bullet to be any where near accurate. This article explains how to apply dry lubricants to jacketed bullets using two methods. My brain was like a sponge, absorbing all I could on this fascinating subject. No Drop Shipping. Maine Department of Inland Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: The bullets were received very quickly ( unlike another company I purchased 38 cal. start = (start - 1) * 25; A copper jacket has a BHN around 100–130, meaning filling the bore diameter isn’t nearly as important for accuracy because the jacket is less prone to strip the rifling when fired. I’ve always tried to be as self-reliant as possible, even as a kid. Connecticut Department of Energy & Environmental Protection, State Agency: /* Pour maximiser les compatibilites IE6/7/8 en quirk/doctyped */ Wyoming Game & Fish Department, State Agency: ['','t5354p'+start+'-powder-coat-bullet-accuracy'].join('/') : ['','t5354-powder-coat-bullet-accuracy'].join('/'); By using new bullet alloy our bullets are constant from batch to batch. The two are very accurate, but the coated bullet is very slightly less accurate out at 50 yards. Coated Bullets Reach the Pinnacle of Your Shooting Game by Reloading with Kimberlin Creek Bullets Choose Your Caliber MEET THE NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN Premium Coated Bullets From Kimberlin Creek Reloading your own ammo starts as a way to save money. Hope to see more testing of this subject. Powders include Alliant, Winchester, Hodgdon, Ramshot Thanks for the info. South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks, State Agency: element.innerHTML = '"; One of my shooting buddies did a simmilar test at 25 yards comparing reloads with a 185 grain magnus button wadcutter and 185 grain Bayou coated SWC and the accuracy was very similar between the two bullets. Arkansas Game & Fish Commission, State Agency: } function createPagination(which, string, x, y) It’s not as durable as powder coat paint but it certainly works to keep lead out of your barrel. The Dardas and Zero SWC are more accurate than the Rainier. Buy PC Bullets. Great test hope you do it again with a better Ransom Rest set up. Distance was 50 feet, with forearms resting on a carpeted 6″X6″ block. The .357″ sized bullet group measured 1.42″ while lastly, the 0.358″ sized bullet group measured 1.12″. Precision's 200gr RNFP is the most accurate poly coated bullet I've shot, by far. Precision Bullets are swaged with certified 6/2 lead alloy and our proprietary PolyLube coating. Hi-Tek Bullet Coating is specifically designed for bullets and will not leave lead fouling or other residues in your barrel. These bullets have been tested in polygonal barrels and have delivered great accuracy and reliability. Sign-up now to to keep your GUNS Magazine content coming every week — no matter what! start = (start > 2) ? I could be more accurate with a sling shot. Bullets are additionally calibrated to achieve the highest possible performance. Nice write up, would like to see the same test at 50 yards. { I'll give them a try. I had opportunity to do a visual AQL this last weekend and was quite surprised at the smoothness of the top coat. renderedElement.style.top = (y + 15) + "px"; SWC coated bullet loaded over 14.0 grains of #2400 in .357 Magnum brass which gave me muzzle velocities right at 1,465 fps in a relatively short 5-1/2″ length barrel. function msg(message) If you strip or damage the coating it may caused lead fouling in your barrel, increased smoke, and/or decreased accuracy. I got good accuracy with 44 grains once, but it didn't perform as well the next time. Of course your results may vary and maybe at 50 yards there might have been a difference. I’d shop for bullet molds the way most people shopped for ammo. You never know until you try! A hard-cast bullet has a BHN of 20-25, which is really hard for cast slugs. Rainier's 185gr plated HP and TC bullets and their 200gr SWC are the most accurate plated bullets. The bottom line is to preserve the coating. West Virginia Division of Natural Resources, State Agency: Rhode Island Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: They are also 405 grain. Shooting was done with Tank’s Ed Brown 1911 style EVO-KC9 9mm. renderedHeight = renderedElement.offsetHeight; x = overFlowX > 0 ? Hawaii Department of Land & Natural Resources, State Agency: var start = document.go_page.start.value; Available at King Shooters Supply. { Nebraska Game & Parks Commission, State Agency: 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum (using ACME coated bullets) reloading data with 13 loads. It also cuts lead buildup in suppressors 60 to 80 percent. Sure, I’d read about them from Elmer and Skeeter but never thought about it until I realized how expensive mail-order, let alone store-bought bullets, are when shooting them with any regularity. 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North Dakota Game & Fish Department, State Agency: A copper jacket has a BHN around 100–130, meaning filling the bore diameter isn’t nearly as important for accuracy because the jacket is less prone to strip the rifling when fired. //]]> Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: In addition, coated bullets produce less smoke than traditional lubed lead bullets. California Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: element.style.zIndex = 1000; { In addition, coated bullets do not produce the smoke traditional found with lubed lead bullets. display = false; The most affordable accurate bullet you can buy. Cleaner. I’d read everything I could on cast bullets, as well as talk to anyone who cast themselves. The only difference is I sized some of them 0.356″, 0.357″ and 0.358″ to show how diameter size affects accuracy. All that means, in short, is that running coated bullets is something that really has to be bought into. These bullets have been tested in polygonal barrels and have delivered great accuracy and reliability. Alternatively, if you don't want to slug your bore and measure, we offer sample packs in multiple diameters so you can test fire them and … The targets tell the tale, the 0.358" sized slugs were the most accurate. else if (typeof(originalFirstChild) == "undefined") Using softer alloy will help by bumping up in size when fired, but limits overall velocity. Minnesota Deptartment of Natural Resources, State Agency: I like this..I was on the fence to powder coat and now I think I'm going to...Also, this makes me want to cast my own hence the PC interest. They are polymer coated measuring .457. } The Precision 200 is just as accurate as the Dardas. Stop in and stock up. [CDATA[ var display = false; The polymer coated bullets can be pushed faster with no leading. I used 6″ Shoot-N-See targets for all groupings of 10 rounds, one for each diameter size. Yes, i could do all kinds of various stastically calculations to prove it, but I don't feel the need to prove the obvious, ive got ammo to load and a famity to follow. Another advantage of BCS coated bullets is lack of wear on the barrel. Walther is the short name for the German firm building high-quality handguns treasured by... Have you ever known someone who just had to have the newest gun in the hottest new caliber with the most eye-popping finish, just so he — or she —. Available in the Store: 380 Round Nose; 9mm 115grain Round Nose; 9mm 124gr Round Nose; 38 148gr Double Wadcutter; 38 158gr Round Nose ; 38 158gr Semi-Wadcutter; 40 165gr Flat Point; 40 180gr Round Nose Flat Point; 45 230gr Round Nose . } Heir kommt die sonne: Loading cast bullets in high velocity rifle cartridges like .308 Winchester (7.62X51 NATO) and getting accuracy and performance is not as easy as simply substituting cast for jacketed bullets. y - overFlowY : y; renderedElement.style.visibility = "visible"; It has an added advantage in that it is not Hi-Tek coated, so it doesn't stink when you shoot it. if (document.body.firstChild != originalFirstChild) It wasn’t long after I started handloading I learned about cast bullets. Well we wondered the same thing so we set out to try some powder coated bullets at 1000 yards from a Remington 700 chambered in 7 mm rem mag. Mississippi Deptartment of Wildlife, Fisheries & Parks, State Agency: Process & Technology. Scrounging lead, mostly in the form of automobile wheel-weights (WW), lead sheathing from roofs and recovered lead shot was a skill I also became well versed in. Yes indeed, I was hooked! Pennsylvania Game Commission, State Agency: This is just something to chew on for fellow lead head lovers. Iowa Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: New Jersey Division of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: As the accuracy of powder coated bullets has been the subject of discussion of late, Al and I did a methodical study to determine the effects of powder coating on bullet accuracy. These are our cast lead bullets coated with Hi-Tek Super Coat bullet coating. { Nevada Department of Wildlife, State Agency: Manufacturer, Dealer, Seller. Very interesting, I'm glad you did this test. A hard-cast bullet has a BHN of 20-25, which is really hard for cast slugs. element = document.createElement("div"); Jacketed bullets will eventually wear out a barrel. For fans of coated bullets, here is a step-by-step bullet-coating guide. start = (isNaN(start) || start < 0 ) ? Clean-22 Ammo with Polymer-Coated Bullets Clean-22 uses an exclusive polymer bullet coating to greatly reduce copper and lead fouling in the barrel without leaving a residue. New York Department of Environmental Conservation, State Agency: I learned about mixing alloys, water quenching, heat treating, powder coating, sizing and loading cast bullets along the way. { These are cast 405 grain bullets I bought at the store. This “sizing” experiment simply demonstrates how size affects accuracy in cast bullets. If you like I'll send you the data file and you can crunch numbers till your hearts content. George Steele // March 28, 2017 at 8:10 pm // Reply. Bayou bullets have HyTek liquid paint coating, which is a bit different than powder coating. } Many thanks for this interesting data. Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources, State Agency: Enter To Win A ADCO BH Best Arms Semi-Auto Shotgun Prize Package! and do a student t-test at 90 or 95 "confidence" level to see if there is any real statistical difference. } Georgia Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: The conclusion was that for his skill level it made no difference and the cleaner powder coated bullets where the way for him to go. Texas Parks & Wildlife Department, State Agency: Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, State Agency: I've been wondering about coated bullets and their application to bullseye shooting for a long time. This attention to quality enhances superior accuracy and highest possible performance. The short answer is no. setTimeout('renderedElement.style.visibility = "visible"', 1); { The bullets are sized after the coating has cured to ensure a consistent and round bullet. LOS copper plated bullets consist of compact lead cores and special thick plating. (BTW, I gave the rifle a good thorough cleaning prior to this). Maryland Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Pouring from the silver stream of liquid alloy into a bullet mold, forming it to the solid shape of my choice, is nothing short of magic. But for And guess what? If you want an almost universal accurate bullet for .45 Auto, you use a 185gn Nosler or Zero JHP bullet. renderedElement.style.left = (x + 15) + "px"; Indiana Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department, State Agency: Of all the things I’ve learned from casting, loading and shooting cast bullets, the biggest factor I’ve found is bullet size, specifically, bullet diameter. There are several things to pay attention to while setting up your press and reloading. The 0.356″-sized bullet group (minus the three farthest) measured 1.56″. The only downside is it will leave lead deposits in comps and barrel ports. destroyPagination(); excessWidth = 0; document.body.removeChild(document.body.firstChild); } I'm a little late to this discussion but was wonder if the Bayou bullets leaded the bore? Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency, State Agency: self.location.href = start ? However, another issue is that accuracy tends to suffer running bare bullets though a residue-coated bore (which results after only a few coated rounds, that are coated with anything). Utah Division of Wildlife Resources, State Agency: An example of this was their 158-gr. { Lead bullets, coated or uncoated, will never wear out a barrel. radiused flat-nosed style bullet, which were powder coated with clear powder. Bullets were from an 8-cavity MP Mold, 130-gr. So much "accuracy" testing on the internet involves 5 yds. It is common for competitive shooters to realize accuracy loss at around 10,000 rounds of jacketed ammo and barrel replacement by 30,000 rnds. Arizona Game & Fish Department, State Agency: They worked, further reinforcing the feeling I enjoyed making my own gear. originalFirstChild = document.body.firstChild; excessHeight = 20; Bayou's coating is applied as a liquid paint to the bullets and actually it's more akin to a stain than a high solid paint. else It doesn't seem to surprise anyone to hear of good cast bullet accuracy being delivered by big-bore rifles, but I've experienced some fine grouping with cast bullets even from .22 centerfire rifles such as the .222 Remington and .220 Swift. Polymer Coated. When chronograph testing identical loads of Bayou and powdercoat painted bullets you can expect 50-100 FPS higher velicity from the Powdercoated bullets. Massachusetts Division of Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: It is really the PhD of cartridge reloading. It’s my preference, giving a good idea of what the particular load is capable of. The world of cast bullets is a fascinating and addictive one indeed. Page 1 of 2 • 1, 2, by PaladinPrecision on 11/26/2017, 5:05 am. 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John got more than “lip service” accuracy in a Smith & Wesson .45 Mountain Gun and .45 Auto Rim Model 625. I tried to attach the data file but it didn't work. Thanks rich, I'm going to try some different loads once the weather gets better at a local ransom rest.I'll let you know what I come up with. 0 : start; The lead alloy that we use is made to our strict specifications and according to the EU regulations. Later, every time I bought a gun, I’d research what cast bullet mold would be a good partner to accompany the gun. element.style.position = "absolute"; Certainly in my plans for 147 gr. There are some potential outlier groups that you could examine if you want. In Part I of this article, Kevin Osborne shows how to coat bullets with a vibratory tumbler. and is useless IMHO. South Carolina Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Coated bullets resolve barrel "leading" for cleaner shooting which leads to better accuracy. Most measure around 14-18 BHN. To accomplish this, bullets were cast using a 5 cavity NOE mold # 453-200-SWC and a mixture of Wheel weight and linotype which when water dropped and aged gives a hardness of roughly 14 brinnell. Looking at it graphically with 1 sigma error bars, it's pretty obvious they are stastically equavelent. Then, as now, I wonder if the comparison is apples to apples. y = document.all ? North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission, State Agency: Nice write up, a friend of mine did a comparison limited to 25 yards and two hands and sandbags from a bench with 3 different pistols (2 Wilsons and one Salyer built bulleye pistol) and there was very little difference between powder coated bullets (bayou brand and conventional lead bullets, most of the groups for both types of bullets where all in the 1 inch range for 5 shot groups. var agt = navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase(); No one told me it couldn’t be done using such basic materials. Louisiana Department of Wildlife & Fisheries, State Agency: However, for the best accuracy, measure your bore and pick the bullet which fits perfectly or is.001" over the size of the max bore diameter. if (agt.indexOf("gecko") != -1 && agt.indexOf("win") != -1) They're designed to prevent leading, eliminate smoke, keep your bore clean, and deliver exceptional accuracy. More Accurate. I am using no lube on those at all. It felt great to be independent! Luckily Steve had a 7mm NEI mold that would drop a 162gr gas checked cast bullet that we … All the 9mm ammo was loaded on my Dilllon 550C progressive press on the same run, again for consistency’s sake. By now you’ve observed my affinity and affliction for the humble cast bullet. This “sizing” experiment simply demonstrates how size affects accuracy in cast bullets. You will find we offer great hard cast, HI-TEK coated bullets at the best prices on the internet. You can buy from us now and again in 2 years … Recently, when the story broke regarding Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee’s H.R. I read your other post on moly coating. It started by tying my own fishing flies with feathers I found in the yard, raiding my mom’s sewing kit for thread and a little of her nail polish for color from her dresser. Step one was to work up a load that could give us our best chances with both accuracy and velocity that we feel is needed for getting a hit at 1000 yards. for most other 9mm semi-autos Tank has worked with. overFlowY = y + renderedHeight + excessHeight - window.innerHeight - window.pageYOffset; console.info( message ); of proprietary unique exotic polymer coated heat treated reloading bullets. { With our 45 ACP round nose coated bullet you can reload quality ammunition for less. var originalFirstChild; Delaware Division of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: } overFlowX = x + renderedWidth + excessWidth - document.body.offsetWidth; { If you want to roll your own here is more information than you would ever need to join our group of coated boolit makers. Michigan Deptartment of Natural Resources, State Agency: Alabama Department of Conservation & Natural Resources. Eggleston Polycoated Bullets are coated with the highest performing polymer on the market today. These were 200 gr SNS hard cast lead bullets which were also coated with red Hi-Tek . A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum :: Ammunition Discussion. State Agency: The softer lead bullet needs to fill the … x - overFlowX : x; Same shape. Using bullets from ACME RN, ACME FP. Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Missouri Deptartment of Conservation, State Agency: Cast Lead Coated Bullets Hi-Tek Super Coat. } Both the Sub-Sonic and High Velocity loads feature a 40-grain round nose lead bullet with geometry that’s been optimized for accuracy. Right now I am loading cast bullets for a wide variety of rifles and shooting them at targets as close as 100 yards and as distant as 1000 yards. 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